"For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts 15:28,29)

THE "TORONTO" CONTROVERSY DISTURBING

NEW FACTS FROM HISTORY
By Andrew Strom

In this article, a Revival historian, closely aligned with the Charismatic and prophetic movements, raises the following questions: Why do the Toronto manifestations seem literally identical to many counterfeit movements which have destroyed genuine Revivals down through history? And why are they seemingly identical to the Chinese occultic 'Qigong' movement, as well as Franz Mesmer's occultic healing practice and the manifestations found throughout the "Kundalini" cults of Rajneesh, Ramakrishna, etc? Why are such manifestations found throughout the New Age movement worldwide, and yet nowhere in the Bible? If these are the days of "great deception" amongst Christians spoken of in the Bible, then shouldn't we be a little more careful about what we allow into God's church? Over the past few years, the movement known as the "Toronto Blessing" has swept through many churches worldwide, particularly in the Western nations. This movement has brought with it some rather 'strange' spiritual manifestations, which have caused quite a bit of controversy in the church. The purpose of this article is to examine the FACTS and the historical data related to this issue, in as straight-forward a way as possible. I have been studying Revival and Reformation history now for over twelve years, and I hope that this will help me to provide an informed and factual perspective.

As is now well-known, the Toronto Airport Vineyard church (home of the 'Toronto Blessing') was finally expelled from the international Vineyard movement in December 1995. This expulsion came after what had apparently been twelve months of repeated warnings given to the Toronto church by John Wimber and the Vineyard Association.

I have to say on a personal level, before going any further, that having witnessed the 'Toronto' phenomena for myself, and having spoken to many people who have experienced it,- right from the outset I have personally been deeply disturbed by much of what I have seen and heard. However, it is time now to take a look at what history has to say about such phenomena.

As many who have studied Revivals will know, it is important to remember that not only have there been many genuine Revivals down through history, but also many "counterfeit" movements as well (a number of which have resulted in quasi-`Christian' sects that are still with us today). Even some of the most powerful true Revivals have eventually been infiltrated (or in some cases, "hijacked"), through the devil managing to flood them with excesses and demonic manifestations, etc. Many of the great Revivalists came across such counterfeits on a regular basis, and wrote warnings against them. As John Wesley said: "At the first, revival is true and pure, but after a few weeks watch for counterfeits."

These false or demonic manifestations have often followed a very distinctive pattern. And alarmingly, I have to say that they have often resembled 'Toronto' very closely indeed (as we shall see). The following is an extract from a century-old book by T.W. Caskey, in which he recalls many of the religious happenings in the Southern states of America in the early 1800's. This was the period when many huge `Camp Meetings' were held in the South, accompanied by unusual religious phenomena (which they called `revival'): "Some would fall prostrate and lie helpless for hours at a time... The whole congregation by some inexplicable nervous action would sometimes be thrown into side-splitting convulsions of laughter and when it started, no power could check or control it until it ran its course. At other times the nervous excitement set the muscles to twitching and jerking at a fearful rate and finally settle down to regular, straight- forward dancing. Like the `Holy Laugh' it was simply ungovernable until it ran its course. When a man started laughing, dancing, shouting or jerking, it was impossible for him to stop until exhausted nature broke down in a death-like swoon..." The same writer goes on to tell how eventually a few preachers began to question whether such manifestations really were the work of the Holy Spirit.

Gradually, people began to `search the Scriptures' and `test the spirits' a lot more than they had been, and these rather `bizarre' manifestations began to die out. Another historian has written of the great Camp Meetings of the eighteenth century (particularly in Kentucky) that crowds would often "go into trances, writhe on the ground and even bark like dogs". As is well-known to many who have studied Revivals, such excesses and counterfeit manifestations have often flooded in particularly towards the end of a true Revival, when the devil has been trying to get in and completely destroy or discredit it.

This is precisely what happened with the 1904 Welsh Revival (as you will see if you read "War on the Saints" by Jessie Penn-Lewis and Evan Roberts - a disturbing book which probably places too much emphasis on the devil, but vividly describes many counterfeit manifestations very similar to what we are seeing today. (Such counterfeits are also examined in Watchman Nee's "The Spiritual Man").

A number of `Toronto' writers have implied that many old-time Revivalists such as John Wesley, Charles Finney and Jonathan Edwards would be quite happy with such manifestations. This is far from the truth. I have studied the lives of these men, and all of them were strong "REPENTANCE" preachers who were very suspicious of any `bizarre' goings-on. When people fell down in their meetings, it was almost always under tremendous distress and CONVICTION OF SIN. This is very different from Toronto.

The great Revivalist John Wesley, who came across many examples of counterfeit manifestations in his years of Revival ministry, wrote of one particular occasion: "God suffered Satan to teach them better. Both of them were suddenly seized in the same manner as the rest, and laughed whether they would or no, almost without ceasing. This they continued for two days, a spectacle to all; and were then, upon prayer made for them, delivered in a moment."
Charles Finney wrote, warning of the dangers of simply `yielding' to strange impulses or impressions: "God's Spirit leads men by the intelligence, and not through mere impressions.... I have known some cases where persons have rendered themselves highly ridiculous, have greatly injured their own souls, and the cause of God, by giving themselves up to an enthusiastic and fanatical following of impressions."

And Jonathan Edwards wrote, concerning the supposedly `heavenly' trances that members of his congregation were entering into under the ministry of Samuel Buelle (a visiting preacher): "But when the people were raised to this height, Satan took the advantage, and his interposition in many instances soon became very apparent; and a great deal of caution and pains were found necessary to keep the people, many of them from running wild." As Frank Bartleman (of the 1906 `Azusa Street' Revival) said: "Many are willing to seek `power' from every battery they can lay their hands on, in order to perform miracles... A true `Pentecost' will produce a mighty conviction for sin, a turning to God.

False manifestations produce only excitement and wonder... Any work that exalts the Holy Ghost or the `gifts' above Jesus will finally land up in fanaticism." Does it sound like these men welcomed `bizarre' manifestations to you? Certainly not! They knew how to discern what was of God and what was not.

In mid-1995, respected international Bible teacher Derek Prince put out a tape in which he made some very strong statements about certain aspects of the Toronto movement. Like him, I would like to state categorically that I believe that humans manifesting animal noises or animal movements is not of God, but rather of the devil. (In fact, he described on the tape how he had seen many such animal manifestations during demonic rituals he had witnessed in Africa). And what about the bodily distortions and the 'jerking' that have also become associated with today's Toronto movement? Is it God who desires to distort the bodies of His people so that they look like sufferers of Cerebral Palsy, Epilepsy, Parkinson's Disease, etc? (Repetitive `jerking' is also seen regularly in many mental hospitals - ask any psychiatric nurse). I have to ask the question here: Whose work does all this sound like to you?

Alarmingly, there are also many exact similarities between the `Toronto' experience and the demonic manifestations found throughout the New Age movement and also in many pagan religions. A number of Indian gurus, such as Bagwhan Shree Rajneesh and Ramakrishna, have had the power to transfer a state of rapturous bliss to their followers merely by touching them. In the case of Ramakrishna, these states were often accompanied by uncontrollable laughter or weeping. Swami Baba Muktananda also had this power, according to a former devotee, and the resulting `Kundalini' manifestations included uncontrollable laughing, roaring, barking, crying, shaking, etc. Some of his followers also became mute or unconscious, while many felt themselves infused with feelings of tremendous joy, peace and love.

All such experiences have been based on "yielding" oneself to the power working through these gurus. Is it any coincidence that the manifestations associated with these demonic `Kundalini' cults are almost identical to those of Toronto? Could it be that the same `spirits' are at work? When Yan Xin, a Chinese `Qigong' spiritual Master, gave a talk to a crowd in San Francisco in 1991, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that many in the crowd began to experience what Yan called "spontaneous movements". He told his audience, "Those who are sensitive might start having some strong physical sensations - or start laughing or crying. Don't worry. This is quite normal." Likewise, the demonic "ministry" of renowned eighteenth-century occultic healer Franz Mesmer, was also known to produce many similar manifestations (falling down, jerking, convulsions, strange grunts and cries, hysterical laughter, etc).

To me it seems beyond dispute that there has been a powerful alien spirit let loose in many churches for some considerable time. Just because the Toronto manifestations have been cloaked in "Christian" terminology does not mean that they are from God. The fact is that such manifestations are found nowhere in the Bible, but rather right through the New Age movement. Surely this fact alone should have rung alarm bells? If these are the `last days' - the days of "great deception" and `lying signs and wonders', then surely we ought to be a little more careful about what we introduce into God's church?

Many Christians who have become involved with Toronto have assumed that it "must be of Go" because it often results in `inner healing' or other spiritual experiences. However, such occurrences are certainly not proof that this movement is of God. In fact, the devil specializes in providing virtually identical experiences in occult and New Age groups right around the world.

And as is well-known, "inner healing" has always be one of the very major emphases of today's New Age movement (while it cannot be found in the Bible). Such experiences are obviously something that Satan finds it very easy to manufacture, especially when he is given the opportunity on such a grand scale. As the Bible clearly states, the devil will gladly disguise himself as an "angel of light" in order to deceive Christians (2 Cor 11:14). However, in saying all of this, I do want to make it clear also that I believe that God has DELIBERATELY ALLOWED this deception to sweep through at this time, to "test" His church.

One of the most obviously "New Age" aspects of Toronto has been the emphasis on `switching off your mind', getting your mind "out of the way", yielding yourself unthinkingly to the spirit that is operating, etc. I tell you, this exact practice is used all over the world to open up New Age devotees to demonic influence. It is dangerous in the extreme. The Bible makes it clear that demonic spirits are well capable of masquerading as the "Holy Spirit". This is why the apostle John wrote: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God"
(1 Jn 4:1). I am afraid I cannot agree with the idea of `directing' the Holy Spirit or proclaiming "Come, Holy Spirit!" To me, such unscriptural practices are bound to lead to deception sooner or later. But the concept of just `switching off your mind' and yielding to whatever spiritual impulses come upon you, surely has to be the most deadly practice of all.

As Jessie Penn-Lewis wrote (in conjunction with Welsh Revival leader Evan Roberts): "... these demons hover round the soul, and make strange suggestions to the mind of something odd, or outlandish, or contrary to common sense or decent taste. They make these suggestions under the profession of being the Holy Ghost.

They fan the emotions, and produce a strange, fictitious exhilaration, which is simply their bait to get into some faculty of the soul... another person said he felt like rolling on the floor, and groaning and pulling the chairs around, but he distinctly perceived that the impulse to do so had something wild in it; and a touch of self display contrary to the gentleness and sweetness of Jesus; and, as quick as he saw it was an attack of a false spirit, he was delivered. But another man had the same impulse, and fell down groaning and roaring, beating the floor with his hands and feet, and the demon entered into him as an angel of light, and got him to think that his conduct was of the Holy Ghost, and it became a regular habit in the meetings he attended, until he would ruin every religious meeting he was in... The effects of being influenced by this sort of demon is manifold, and plainly legible to a well-poised mind. They cause people to run off into things that are odd and foolish, unreasonable and indecent..."

The above authors also make the following very crucial statement in the same book: "The false conception of `surrender' as yielding the body to supernatural power, with the mind ceasing to act, is the HIGHEST SUBTLETY OF THE ENEMY." Surely no-one who is reading this can still be in any doubt as to what spiritual `source' the `Toronto' movement comes from?

It is well-known throughout Christendom that the Bible speaks of the `last days' as being a time of great deception and apostasy, and it is obvious from the Scriptures that much of this will arise from WITHIN THE CHURCH, so as to deceive the Christians.
(See Mt 24, etc). The Apostle Paul wrote that, "in the last days PERILOUS TIMES WILL COME. For men shall be lovers of their own selves... lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God" (2 Tim 3:1-4). And, "the Spirit speaks expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to SEDUCING SPIRITS, and doctrines of devils" (1 Tim 4:1). Surely, as we have seen, we are indeed living today in such `perilous times'.

There have been several dreams and visions given to NZ prophets and intercessors about the Toronto movement. In one particularly powerful dream given to an Auckland man many months before the term "Toronto Blessing" was even heard of here, he was shown that there would be TWO revivals. (This was the same man who was also given the open vision of the Bride of Christ described in a previous article). In this dream of the "TWO REVIVALS", he found himself in a large auditorium full of people. He noticed that many of those down the front of the meeting were FALLING DOWN LAUGHING AND CRYING, etc, and the words that were clearly spoken to him to describe what he was seeing were: "LAODICEAN REVIVAL".

He was then seated with the `little' people in the auditorium, who had not become really "caught up" in this falling and laughing, etc. And as he sat there, these `little' people were steadily drawn away from this `Laodicean' scenario, until there was a yawning gulf between them and those who were still "partying on" at the front of the hall. Suddenly, thousands of young people burst out all around these little people, and they began to minister to them in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. The prophet knew that this was the beginning of the true Revival. Glory to God!

It is my belief that in many ways the Toronto experience has been the perfect deception for today's Laodicean church: It cost nothing, it was "instant" and convenient, it conferred spiritual blessings, `touches' and experiences without any need for conviction of sin, deep repentance or `taking up the cross', and best of-all it gave a flagging, powerless church some new "signs" to prove that `all was well' after all. The real issue that lies at the heart of this whole controversy is one that revolves around the very character of God Himself. For it is obvious that we are being asked to choose between at least two "Gods" here. On the one hand we have Toronto's version of "God" - a being who lives to bring `touches' and bodily sensations upon his people, who loves to "party" with them - to `loosen them up' so that they cast off all restraint and do foolish things that they would never normally do. Many of these touches may appear to outside observers to be `ugly' or even revolting and frightening (similar to asylum-type mental or drug disorders, etc), but, hey, let's just get our mind out of the way, relax and enjoy it all! Who cares if it looks or sounds completely `demonic' (animal noises, hysterical laughter, bizarre jerking, etc), so long as it feels good and seems to heal all those past `hurts'? To me, this is the very essence of the touchy-feely "Laodicean" view of God - a `God' made entirely in their own image, and for their own convenience. Love without responsibility. Mercy without judgment. A permissive, "Santa Claus" God - perfect for the shallow, pleasure- loving age in which we live. On the other hand, there is the God of the Bible: Yes, He is a God of love, but also of justice ae and of judgment. Yes, He is a God of mercy, but also of war and of vengeance,- waiting patiently for the hour when His enemies will be delivered into His hand,so that He can cast them forever into a living hell. Yes, He is a God of liberty, but He is also a jealous God, who visits the sins of the fathers onto the third and fourth generation of those who hate Him. Yes, He is a God of compassion, but He is also a God of glorious majesty, might and power. And above all, He is a God of HOLINESS, who HATES SIN so much that He created a lake of fire in which to imprison all who have given themselves over to it. And I tell you now, He is not a God who could in any way be represented by a movement involving animal noises, drunken foolishness, hyena-like laughter, or ugly epileptic-type `jerking' amongst His people.

This is why Toronto was such a good `test' for the Laodicean church. And frankly, it is my belief that this Laodicean revival has exposed today's lukewarm church for what she really is - a sitting duck, completely prone to the most obvious deception from the enemy - a "happiness club", still desperate for feel-good touches and blessings after all these years.

Obviously, one aspect that has been particularly alarming about the Toronto movement has been the tendency to simply abandon the practice of `testing' spiritual experiences and new teachings against the Scriptures. The Bible tells us to "test all things", and of course there is the well-known verse: "All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, FOR CORRECTION, and for training in righteousness"
(2 Tim 3:16). But how can the Scriptures be used for `correction' if we choose to "explain away" the need for Scriptural proof of our experiences and teachings, etc? If we don't use the Scriptures to `test' things any more, aren't we opening the door to every heresy, false doctrine or demonic experience in existence? (As history clearly demonstrates). This "casting off" of the authority of Scripture, and even of good, old-fashioned common sense, I have personally found to be amongst the most disturbing aspects of the whole `Toronto' affair.

In saying all of this about Toronto, however, I do not want to give the impression that I am opposed to every kind of `unusual' spiritual occurrence. God Himself often does unusual things in times of Revival. But there is a certain `character' about them that stamp them as being from Him. For instance, tremendous conviction (which is very common in true Revivals) will often bring extreme distress over sin (wailing, weeping, etc), `trembling' with Godly fear, people falling face-down before God, etc. At the same time, the awesome presence of God will often cause those who have experienced His cleansing and forgiveness to be filled with indescribable joy and thanksgiving to God, resulting in demonstrative, unrestrained worship and adoration of Him...

'The Toronto Controversy' copyright (c) Andrew Strom, 1996.
(Please feel free to photocopy. http: //crash. ihug.co. nz/~ revival).

 


A SCRIPTURAL WARNING
 

We have searched the Scriptures for years for evidence that the phenomena of falling backward under the power, which they call "slain in the spirit," could possibly be considered a baptism of the Holy Spirit and found a Scripture in Isaiah 28:9-13. It was to serve as a warning..

"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to his people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. "But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

The word "broken" (#7665) Hebrew `Shavar': to burst, break in pieces, wreck, crush, tear to pieces, destroy.. "snared" (#3369) Hebrew `Yaqosh' to ensnare, lay a snare, to be snared, caught. It is used with reference to a fowler who sets a trap for the purpose of catching prey. It is also used in metaphorical sense of the entrapment of people
(Isaiah 28:13).

 



REPORTS FROM EYE WITNESSES

A few examples from reports from Strom's website in New Zealand. EYEWITNESSES WARNINGS OF BROWNSVILLE, PENSACOLA (NEWLY UPDATED). REPORT DATE: 31 JAN 1998, FROM: RICK [surname withheld] (USA).

Dear Mr. Strom,
I want to thank you for your articles on Brownsville. I am an ordained minister, formerly of the Worldwide Church of God, and then the Church of God, International. Coming from such a background, I did not believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit. However, after years of study, prayer and fasting about the subject, the scriptural proof is undeniable. Presently I live on the Gulf Coast, on the Alabama/Florida line, just 30 miles from Pensacola. After talking with numerous people about the baptism of the Spirit, someone told me that I should go to Brownsville and see if I could receive the baptism there. What a shock!!!
I went one time, and at the end of the service, the altar call was unbelievable. People rushed forward to be prayed for, the "pastor" shouted "A Fresh Anointing" and swept his arm over the crowd. People all around me fell to the floor as if they had been machine-gunned. I stood alone in the midst of approximately 50 to 60 bodies, and people rushed over those people to receive a similar experience. Again the same thing happened, and I was again I was left standing in what was becoming a pile of bodies. These people were out cold, as if they had been knocked unconscious. Ministers began to move through the crowd, praying for people and laying hands on those who requested prayer. I was particularly interested in one young girl of about 17 or 18 years of age, who stood very rigid, shaking uncontrollably, muttering strange noises with her eyes rolled back in her head. I have seen demon-possessed people before, and I am convinced she was under the influence of one or more very powerful demonic beings.
The ministers said a short (under one minute) prayer for her, laid hands on her and she fell backwards to land on the steps of the altar, jerking and convulsing and moaning. I stayed for at least an hour more, and kept watching this young woman to see what was going to happen. After at least an hour, I went to a minister that was working the crowd, and expressed my concern for her. He had a lady get a light blanket and put over her, and paid no more attention to her. When I left after midnight (and I believe I was the first person to leave the services), the girl was still on the steps of the altar shaking and convulsing and no one paying any attention to her.
With all of that happening, I also noticed something else. There were at least a dozen gurneys with people laying on them that had been brought by relatives or friends for healing. Some had IV's connected to them, some had oxygen bottles, and there were also many in wheel chairs that could not rush forward to receive "something".
All during the time I was there I never saw a single minister go to any of those people and heal them, or even attempt to. During the entire service, I never saw one single person delivered of demonic possession, healed of any infirmity, or receive what I would perceive to be a true manifestation of the Spirit, such as being able to speak in tongues.
I must say right here that I have not received the baptism of the Spirit, and cannot speak in tongues. So I may have a different way of looking at things, but I do know what the scriptures teach regarding this subject. I went there wanting to be filled with the Spirit, the HOLY Spirit, and all I saw were people falling down, some barking like dogs, many jerking like stand-ins in a horror movie, and people being walked on after they hit the floor by people being totally selfish. Am I missing something here?
May I ask a question? As an ordained minister, seeking the baptism of the Spirit, where do I go? I will not go back to Brownsville. Tonight, as I am writing this letter, a close friend of mine is there. He came from 400 miles away to see the Brownsville experience first hand, and wanted me to accompany him. I refused...

REPORT DATE: 1 FEB 1998:-
As an interesting sidelight, my friend that came to visit this weekend went to Brownsville, and witnessed some of the same things that I did - no healings, no deliverance, no miracles - just jerking, gyrating and falling down. He did make one very interesting observation - he said he was watching the crowd, and it seemed to be almost all young people that were heavily in volved in the most physical displays of "whatever." The older people seemed to be more reserved and watching to see what was happening.

REPORT DATE: 26 APRIL 1997. FROM: CATHY WOOD [NOTE: The following email, by a woman who is prominently involved at Pensacola (a leading member of their prayer ministry team), was publicly forwarded to us via Jim Wies' PRO-PENSACOLA List. We publish it in it's entirety]: Hope these latest reports from Brownsville thrill you as much as they do me! Sincerely. Jim Wies
From: Sister WOOD, Written to a friend about the Gott's visit to Brownsville.
Dear Cathleen,
You asked me what's up.. so.. here goes! The Gott's (Ken and Lois) from Sunderland England are here..for conference at Brownsville. (Mrs. Kilpatrick just got home from their church also...) Well... they seem to have an impartation for intercession and going a bit deeper in the river...!!!
They prayed for the prayer team last night for about 45 min. before church. It was such a strong anointing. The room was full of everyone of us behaving as if elect.

 


 "But  I  fear,  lest by any means, as the  serpent  beguiled  Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from  the simplicity that is in Christ." (2 Corinthians 11:3)

A PROPHET CONTEMPLATES WAR

A WORD FOR NEW ZEALAND
by Rick Joyner
(From a 1991 issue of the international Morning Star Journal)

Your  name  is prophetic - there is a NEW ZEAL  that  will  arise from  the church in New Zealand. This zeal for the Lord  and  His purposes  will help to bring conviction upon the worldwide  body of Christ for her Laodicean spirit of lukewarmness. Just as the call  to the Laodicean church was to "be zealous  therefore  and repent,"  your zeal will help to show the way for the  church to  repent. Do not confuse this zeal with mere human enthusiasm; true  zeal is a deep and focused commitment to the Lord and determination to do His will.
Your  zeal  will be a NEW zeal; there is a freshness to  it  that will  help  to impart a zeal for the NEW things  that  God  is doing. The bride of Christ will be without spot or wrinkle.  That she  is without spot speaks of her purity, having  been  cleansed from  sin. That she is without wrinkle speaks of her  perpetual youthfulness.  The Lord is restoring this new zeal to His  church so that she might be restored to her youth and to her first love, which is the essence of true zeal.
Christ  Church, New Zealand is literally "the uttermost  part  of the earth" as it is geographically the most distant (sic)  major city  on earth from Jerusalem. {Actually, Gisborne and  Auck land  seem technically closer to the mark - ed.}  This  city has also been prophetically named; it will become a city that  is a  church - it will be the Lord's. Though you may be  the  city that was furtherest from the beginning of the church age, you are the  closest  to the last great move of the Holy Spirit  -  you will see the beginning of the movement that will close the church age.  For  this  reason, the Lord had you placed  as  the  first nation  on  the international dateline and  therefore  the  first nation to see the sun rise. You will be the first to see the Son rise and the beginning of the day of the Lord.
Do  not  be disturbed by the onslaught of the enemy  to  thwart this  purpose,  but when the enemy attacks you one  way,  attack him  ten ways. You need not fear the enemy; he should fear  you because the One who has all authority in heaven and earth is on your  side; that One now gives you the authority to take  back from the enemy all that he has stolen from you, and to spoil  his camp  to release all that he has held captive in your land.  The enemy does not have the power to stop you; your faith and  endurance  alone  will determine the degree of you victory -  do  not stop until your victory is complete.
It  is  time for you to cast down your fears  and  pick  up your  swords.  Do  not dwell any longer on  your  insecurity  and feelings  of  unworthiness - dwell on the Son and  His  greatness which can be revealed through you. He delights in using the weak, the  foolish  and the small to confound the strong, the  wise  in this  world and the big. Do not look at your weakness or  your small  size;  look  at the Lord and His greatness  that He will demonstrate  through you. You now have the authority to  tear down  the  strongholds  of the enemy and to make  New  Zealand  a fortress of righteousness.
The  native  people  in your land are called by  the  Lord  as  a people  of dignity and honor. The enemy has made  many  inroads into  their  culture, but as deep as he has sunk his  roots  into them,  that is how deeply the Lord can fill them with  Himself. Esteem them, honor them and do them justice because the Lord has called them. The saints who arise from the native peoples of New Zealand will be pillars in the church and will stand straight and tall when others would fall.

 


  WHY I OPPOSE THE 'CIVIL WAR'

by Andrew Strom.
(Andrew is a tongue speaking Charismatic from New Zealand)

Rick  Joyner has assured me that he did not mean what I  thought he  meant in his article on the coming Civil War in  the  church. However,  despite my respect for Rick, I believe that this  issue surely has to be the most critical that has faced the church  in recent  decades.  Does God really want  the  prophetic  movement "taking  sides"  in the coming conflict? And is this  Civil  War really  a good thing, or will it be the most colossal  disaster that  has befallen the church in centuries? In New Zealand,  God has given us very strong prophetic warnings regarding this whole issue, and this is what will be discussed in this article.
For at least ten years now, particularly in the American prophetic movement, God has been warning of the great 'Civil War'  that would  soon split and shake His church. A  number  of  prophetic ministries  have  been given dreams and  visions  likening  this coming great conflict in the church to the American Civil War of last century, which was fought between the Union in the  North (the Blues) and the Confederacy in the South (the  Grays).  In these  dreams and visions of the coming war in the  church,  God has also likened one side to the 'Grays' and one side to  the Blues.  Many  prophets have interpreted this to mean  a  conflict between  those who are distinctly 'head-knowledge'-  oriented Christians,  and  those who  are  distinctly  'Spirit'-oriented. (This certainly seems a logical conclusion). No doubt there  have always been tensions between these two extremes in the  church, but this time it will be all-out war. However,  God  has also warned very strongly  that  those  who take part in this conflict will be excluded from the great Revival that is to follow immediately after this colossal 'shaking'.
One  very well-known vision, which was quoted by Rick  Joyner  in his article, was given to Philip Elston several years ago. In it, he  saw  Jesus standing with arms outstretched.  Soldiers  in blue and gray uniforms were marching past Him on either side, and were laying their bloody swords on His arms. The Lord resolutely looked into the eyes of each one, saying, "NO-ONE WHO HAS THEIR BROTHER'S BLOOD ON THEIR SWORD WILL BE USED TO BUILD MY HOUSE."

It  is  well-known around the world that civil wars  are  usually the most bitter, destructive and ugly conflicts that it is possible  to have. Brother against brother, fathers,  cousins  and countrymen  consumed  with murderous enmity one  against  the other. What a nightmare! (As we have seen recently in  Rwanda and Bosnia). One thing I certainly do agree with in Rick Joyner's article is his statement that: "This will, in fact, be one of  the most cruel battles the church has ever faced. Like  every civil war, it will cause brother to turn against brother  like we  may  have  never witnessed in the church  before...  What  is coming will be dark. At times Christians almost universal ly  will be loath to even call themselves Christians.  Believers and  unbelievers alike will think that it is the end  of Chris tianity as we know it, and it will be."
He  then goes on to say that: "Through this the  very  definition of Christianity will be changed, for the better." I am  afraid that,  due to the strong prophetic warnings God has given  us  in New Zealand, I simply cannot go along with that last statement.
However,  I  certainly  do believe that we are  headed  for  a great splitting  and shaking of the church (in fact,  I  believe that  this  will be a form of JUDGMENT upon  today's  Laodicean church).  But I just cannot go along with the idea that the  prophetic  movement is to actively participate or "take sides"  in this  conflict,  or that this Civil War is some  marvelous  thing that we should all be looking forward to in the church. The idea  that we should join in with this war, to try and drive  the "Accuser of the brethren" out of other Christian groups in  this way,  frankly strikes me as being one of the most disastrous  and ill-advised courses of action that I have ever heard.

But  what  are we to think when we read things like:  "...it  was time to straightforwardly warn the church, and to begin  preparing for this great war with the resolve to fight until  there was a complete victory. The definition of a complete victory  in this war would be the complete overthrow of the Accuser of the Brethren's  strongholds  in  the church... This  battle  must  be fought. It is an opportunity to drive the accuser out of the church..."
(From 'Civil War in the Church', published May, 1996).
I am afraid I simply cannot agree with any of this.  Surely it  is  obvious  that all that would be accomplished  by  such  a brutal,  all-out conflict is that the church would  literally tear  itself  apart? And aside from a whole raft of  crushed  and damaged  Christians,  what would be the real fruit of  such  a War? Before I go on to discuss what God has been showing us  here in NZ..
Significantly,  [an] intercessor was given the strong  impression that  the  catalyst for this great rift was to be  the  'Toronto blessing'  movement...  Certainly,  I have  noticed  a  far  more "militant"  mood  amongst  the  'Spirit'-  oriented  believers since  Toronto has swept through the church. There seems to be  a lot  more  talk of aggressive mobilization  and  aggressive defense of the movement against those who oppose it. This hardening of attitude has also coincided with a similar hardening on the  other side. Many of the  'conservative',  evangelical-type Christians  seem to have been particularly appalled  by  Toronto, and have become quite bitter in their opposition.
So  we  can see that conditions for a Civil War  in  the  church have indeed been greatly advanced by 'Toronto' (and I guess  by 'Pensacola' also,  which  is closely related). For  to  have  a civil  war,  it  is ecessary for BOTH  SIDES  to  become  quite "militant" in their stance, one against the other...

If there is a Civil War in the church, I am convinced that  those who participate  in  it will have no part  whatsoever  in  the coming move of God. Surely it makes sense that God would give all these  visions  of the coming Civil War as a WARNING,  not  as some kind of invitation to participate in it!?

Frankly,  I have to say that I have been very  disappointed  that the  American prophetic movement has seemingly advocated  "taking sides"  in the coming conflict. To me, this seems the  height  of irresponsibility,  and it alarms me greatly. I have to say  also, that there are a number of factors associated with the prophetic movement  in  America that have disturbed me for  some  years now. I don't know how well my words will be taken over there, but I do believe that these issues are important enough to risk raising them at this time. Sometimes an outsider's view can be of value,  but I do apologize in advance for any offense  caused  by what I am about to say.

It  seems  to me that there are some  very  profound  differences between the way the prophetic movement is set up in America, and  the  way it functions in other parts of  the  world.  In America,  there  seems to be a very  strong  perception  amongst friend  and foe alike, that the prophetic movement there is  so closely aligned with one particular denomination that they might almost  be considered to be one movement. Surely this would  have to  be  seen as a very unhealthy state of  affairs  for  any truly 'prophetic' group. How  on  earth can your words be taken as "impartial"  when  you are  seen to be so closely aligned with the views and  teachings of one particular stream or denomination? Is this what God really wants?  I am by no means part of the "Anti-Vineyard"  brigade, but  is it really desirable to have a prophetic movement that  is seen by many to be more of a mouthpiece for the Vineyard movement than  an  impartial  mouthpiece for God? I am sorry  if  I  am offending  you,  but  I frankly find it incredible  that  such  a movement could see this as an acceptable state of  affairs.
And I also believe that, as always, there will be subtle pressure in such a situation, not to be too critical or too  analytical about some of the teachings or practices that are associated with the 'related body'.

It  is my belief that this unhealthy association with one  particular  stream has already affected the way that some  issues have  been examined by the American prophetic movement  over  the last  few years or so. Elsewhere in the world, this is not  the case,  and other prophetic movements are free to  analyze  such issues without any perceived bias one way or the other. But how can  the same be said of the American prophetic movement? As  I said before, this apparent partiality surely has to be seen  as a most debilitating weakness in any movement of this kind. Prophets are supposed to be beyond reproach in the area of impartiali
ty.  They  are supposed to be the "eyes", the  watchmen  of  the church. Surely this can only be harmed when there is a  perceived bias  in  favour  of one particular  (controversial)  stream  of teaching?
One  thing  that  has struck me  repeatedly  about  the  American prophetic  scene is the seemingly never-ending talk about  the problem of 'legalism' and Pharisee-type religion in the church... Surely  we  would have to be kidding ourselves if  we  thought that this was the major problem facing the 'Laodicean' church? I just  cannot  go  along with the idea that it  is  "the  control spirit,  the political spirit and the religious spirit" that  are largely  responsible  for the sick and tepid state  of  today's lukewarm Christianity. This is certainly not what the Bible says.
The Scriptures are very clear as to what the major problems of  the Laodicean church are: "... because you are lukewarm,  and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.  Because you say, 'I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need  of nothing'... BE ZEALOUS THEREFORE, AND REPENT"
(Rev 3:16-19).

To  get back to our original theme of 'Civil War' once  again, a  friend of mine who is a well-known prophet in  Australia,  was given  a  very significant vision in 1995. In it,  he  saw  a giant  army snaking through the jungle. At it's head  was  the banner, "Joel's Army". Meanwhile, off in the jungle by itself was a battalion. It stood, waiting. This battalion was in the  shape of  a  great  square, and at it's head was  a  banner:  "Gideon's Army".  It was much smaller than the first. It seemed  evident that Joel's Army was going to war, but that Gideon's Army had yet to receive it's marching orders..
I  have  to  say that I have been astonished  that  the  American prophetic  movement  has  allowed itself to  become  so  closely identified in the minds of many Christians around the world, with the  'Toronto' movement. I myself put this down to the fact  that their close association with the Vineyard clouded their  judgment,  and  meant that they did not look at this  movement  as objectively  or as analytically as they should  have. Speaking personally,  having  witnessed the 'Toronto'  manifestations  for myself, and also as a Revival historian, I have to say  that this movement surely has to be the most dubious that has  arisen in  the church for well over a century. Why on earth would  the American  prophetic movement allow itself to become  so  strongly identified  with such a movement? The only explanation is  their close  association with the Vineyard. And so here we are, in  the last  days (the days of great deception amongst Christians, of seducing  spirits  and "lying signs  and  wonders"  in  the church), with the most well-known prophetic movement in the world actually  supporting a 'revival' that is surely one of the  most suspect and dubious spiritual movements in history. Alarming, isn't it?..

Like  the  children  of Israel, I am  convinced  that  today's church has been passing through it's own wilderness of testing in recent times (just before the 'promised land' of true  Revival). And  like  the Israelites, I am convinced that only  a  "remnant" will eventually make it through into the coming move  of  God. (This principle is all the way through Scripture). It will be  a "Gideon's Army" (a remnant army), rather than a "Joel's  Army" that  will bring in the great last-days harvest. This is  clearly what God has been speaking in the dreams and visions that  we have discussed. And it seems obvious from the Scriptures also.
I  would just like to conclude this article by saying  that  it has not been my intention here at all, to 'attack' the  American prophetic movement, but rather to warn and plead with them, to at least consider the possibility that what I am saying is true.  It is my belief that the U.S. prophetic movement is now in far greater danger than it is probably aware of, just like the  many previous  movements  that have found themselves in  a similar

position down through history... For again, let me repeat what Jesus Himself said in the  vision:
"NOONE  WHO  HAS THEIR BROTHER'S BLOOD ON THEIR SWORD  WILL  BE USED TO BUILD MY HOUSE." Amen.
______________________
[Please note that it was never stated in the above article  that I  believed the U.S. prophetic movement to be  officially  joined with the Vineyard. I was merely making the point that there  were strong  ties generally between the Vineyard and the most  wellknown and widely recognized of the American prophetic movements.
This  is absolutely common knowledge, and even the  most  cursory look at the relationship between many prophetic ministries  and the Vineyard in the U.S. will confirm what I am saying. -A.S.]

 


"And this is the promise that He hath promised us, [even] eternal life." (1John 2:25)


MODERN PROMISE KEEPERS



From  the  Promise Keeper's Website: Changes  are  taking  place. Colorado Springs Men's Conference moved the date to September 25-26 at World Arena, 8,900 capacity which is expected to fill  up. "The  state- of- the- art World Arena will be a great  location  for the 1998 'Live a Legacy' conference in Colorado," said Tom  Fort son, chief operating officer of Promise Keepers. "This logistical adjustment also takes into account weather considerations...

For the first time in Promise Keepers eight year history,  registration...  is free. Based on the theme, "Live a Legacy:  Make  a Difference in Your Lifetime", the conference sessions will  challenge and equip men to live effective Christian lives that impact their  family,  church, friends, and  community...  Two  hundred thousand  men  have already taken part in  Promise  Keepers  1998 "Live a Legacy" conferences around the nation...

 




 

I HEARD SOMEWHERE THAT PK BELIEVES THAT THE MUSIC OF THE BEATLES WAS ANOINTED BY GOD. IS THIS TRUE?


In 1990, Pastor James Ryle, a PK board member spoke at a  conference and gave a message entitled, The Sons of Thunder  containing three  main points: 1) God wants the entire world to be  evangelized  
(John  3:16); 2) God wants us to become all things  to  all men,  that by all means men might be saved (1 Cor. 9:22); and  3) God provides gifts to all of us through which we can reach out to the  lost. Pastor Ryle went on to elaborate on the  third point, stating  that  all  gifts are a blessing from  God,  doctors  are gifted with  healing, teachers with the ability  to  communicate information,  judges with wisdom, and musicians with music,  etc.
Pastor Ryle's message focused on the power of the gift of  music. He stated that music is a universal language and it speaks to the heart  of men like no other medium. All musicians  have  received the  gift of music from God, whether they are Christians or  not.
Pastor Ryle used the Beatles as a stellar example of the power of music. These musicians influenced an entire generation and people followed them into drugs, sex, and eastern mysticism. Pastor Ryle asked  his audience to imagine the tremendous influence that  the Beatles  could have had if they had been Christians, if they  had used  their  gift to glorify God and to impact  His  kingdom.  In fact,  this  message has led numerous musicians (including  some prominent  secular names) to write to Pastor Ryle  saying things like, "...at last I know why I was born with the gift of music."

In  his reference to the Beatles’ gift of music, Ryle referred  to that gift as an anointing; indicating only that the gift was from God.  Pastor Ryle regrets that his comment was  misunderstood  by believers  who  thought  that he was endorsing  the  message  and lifestyle  of the Beatles. He only intended to convey his  under standing  of the power of music and that it is a gift from God. Pastor  Ryle  did  not mean to imply that he  believed  that  the Beatles were used by God only that their gift was from God and it could have  been used for the glory of God.
(Taken from  the  PK Website for research purposes.)

 




THE SONS OF THUNDER A SYNOPSIS OF DREAMS.
BY JAMES RYLE.

The  following insight occurred to me in August 1990 as a  result of  three dreams... Two men walked from behind the  curtain  with sheet  music  in their hands. They were very excited,  and  could hardly wait to play this music. One said to the other, "Wait till they hear this. Its going to be just like when the Beatles played their music!" In the dream I also became excited. I turned to see the  crowd that was gathering at the stage and the scene  changed before my eyes. The audience became a vast body of water, like  a lake,  and  as the musicians played the new song  I  saw fishing lines cast out into the water. The dream ended.
My  waking thoughts were that God is about to release a new  kind of  song in the streets. It will bring a revelation of the  truth and it will usher people into His presence. The anointing of  the Lord will be with musicians who have spent time in God's presence "behind  the  curtain" receiving a deep love for  the  lost.  The lyrics  of their songs will be as "fishing lines" cast  into  the hearts  of men and women needing Christ. In the second dream,  I was  on the stage in a large church. There was an equipment  room on  the  right  side of the stage. It  had  microphones,  cables, amplifiers and other kinds of things that collect in closets.  In one corner of the room I saw a power amplifier covered with dust. The  cord  was wrapped about it, and it had not been used  for  a long time. When I looked closer I saw written on the front, "The Beatles Power Amp." I knew in that moment that this box  was the  source  of their sound and their power. I knew  that  anyone could  plug into this box and, in effect, have what  the  Beatles had  -  an incredible ability to mobilize masses of people to  a single thing. As I stood there holding the Beatles power amplifier, I asked aloud this question, "What is this doing here in  the Church's equipment  room?" Suddenly I was out of  the  equipment room and standing behind the pulpit at this church, still holding the  amp. The enormous church, throughout the main floor and  all about  the balcony, was packed with people from every  nation.  A very beautiful woman, radiant with a glow of glory, stood in  the middle of the church and began singing a song from the Lord...
The  people began to swoon in the presence of God and  then  collapse  in their seats -- converted to Christ!  God's  power  was moving through the music. The dream ended...
The dream changed once more. I was floating over a wide and  long highway  that headed in one direction. All lanes were  completely grid-locked,  jam  packed with motorcycle gang  members,  revving their  engines and stirring up dust. It was a graphic picture  of lost humanity. Then I saw a group of bikers moving in single file along  the  service  road. They were headed for a  field  in  the distance  where there was a monolithic stone. This stone, I  knew in  the dream, represented the power of Christ and would  empower those who touched it to go back to the highway and turn masses of lost  people back to God. I looked closer at these  motorcyclists as the sped toward the Stone, and saw on their jackets the words "Sons  of  Thunder."
(Taken from New  Zealand  Website,  http:// crash. ihug .co.nz/~revival)

 




HAS PK ENDORSED

THE STAR OF 2000 BY JAY GARY?



In the July/August, 1995 issue of New Man magazine a book  review appeared  on  The Star of 2000 by Jay Gary. New Man  magazine  is endorsed  by Promise Keepers, but it is written and published  by Strang Communications,  a  separate organization.  As  with  any general  interest magazine, the views expressed in New Man  magazine  are  those of the author and not necessarily the  views  of Promise  Keepers. We do not exhaustively research the  background of every book or author that appears in New Man.
Promise  Keepers  must trust the discernment of the  reviewer  to provide  an accurate assessment of these books, and the  discernment  of the reader as they seek the guidance of the Holy  Spirit in all that they read.
It  is  important  to understand why New Man  magazine  chose  to review this book. It seems that the primary controversy surrounding  The Star of 2000 is not the actual content of the book,  but the  author's purported association with Robert Muller,  and  Mr.Muller's  reported  "New  Age" agenda.  However,  many  Christian leaders have endorsed Gary's book -- Bill Bright, Joe Aldrich, Ted Baehr,  John Dawson, etc. Why? Because The Star of 2000 does  not present  New Age philosophies within its pages. Rather, it is  an exhaustive study of the events being planned for the year 2000 by various  organizations -- Christian and non-Christian -- and how Christians can work to make it a celebration for Christ.
The  Star of 2000 effectively communicates several  aspects  that are uniform among Christians: our love for Christ, our  need  to honor  Him, and our desire to make Him nown. Promise  Keepers  is committed  to preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, and  we  will always reject ideas that violate the truth of the Scriptures.  We believe  that New Age teachings are in conflict with  traditional Christianity  and our Statement of Faith.
(Statement from  the  PK website, September 1998, for research purposes).


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